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[etwoss]

Hi

 

Just looking at your great demo's. I did always fancy Sencha JS.

Currently working with IntraWeb/CGDevtools.

 

I wonder who's behind this all, how sure this product will stay for years,

Can you tell anything about that?

 

Is this on top of IntraWeb or do you use your own internal webserver?

 

After reading more threads i see it's not! 

 

It's good to see this kind of new developments coming so i can use Delphi for web apps.

 

Keep up the good work!

 

Eric

[Farshad Mohajeri]

Hi

 

Just looking at your great demo's. I did always fancy Sencha JS.

Currently working with IntraWeb/CGDevtools.

 

I wonder who's behind this all, how sure this product will stay for years,

Can you tell anything about that?

 

Is this on top of IntraWeb or do you use your own internal webserver?

 

After reading more threads i see it's not! 

 

It's good to see this kind of new developments coming so i can use Delphi for web apps.

 

Keep up the good work!

 

Eric

 

Hello,

 

uniGUI is developed by FMSoft which is a micro-ISV located in Ankara / Turkey.

 

I am the lead developer of the project. Project is alive for past 7 years. We will continue developing and improving uniGUI for a foreseeable future.

We've just turned the corner by releasing uniGUI RC (Release Candidate) which shows it is no longer beta!

 

Hopefully, the non-RC release will be available soon too.

 

uniGUI is not related to Intraweb and it doesn't need it. uniGUI has its own internal webserver and component system.

 

Thank you for your interest in uniGUI.

[etwoss]

H

 

Thanks. I Suppose if i have questions about components i have to use the Sencha forum?

 

Eric

[Sherzod]

Hi,

 

Mainly, you can use this forum - http://forums.unigui.com

 

Best regards.

[rasaliad]

H

 

Thanks. I Suppose if i have questions about components i have to use the Sencha forum?

 

Eric

 

Hi etwoss, from 2011 I have never go to Sencha forum, and I have several project in UniGUI. It its Rock!!!!. Here in this forum you can find and ask what you need.

[Ron]

Hello,

 

uniGUI is developed by FMSoft which is a micro-ISV located in Ankara / Turkey.

 

I am the lead developer of the project. Project is alive for past 7 years. We will continue developing and improving uniGUI for a foreseeable future.

We've just turned the corner by releasing uniGUI RC (Release Candidate) which shows it is no longer beta!

 

Hopefully, the non-RC release will be available soon too.

 

uniGUI is not related to Intraweb and it doesn't need it. uniGUI has its own internal webserver and component system.

 

Thank you for your interest in uniGUI.

 

Hi Farshad, could you please elaborate on the staff of FMSoft, how many developers you

have in the company, and to which degree the future development of Unigui is dependent on you

personally being active and available for the company.

 

Also I realize that there is in effect a wider network of developers coming into play

as a result of this forum, and can you please elaborate on how many of these people

you consider to be part of a stable support group that may be around in the future,

to eventually carry the development forward if FMSoft somehow gets incapacitated.

 

Opening up the complete source code will of course provide added security for

future development, and should be done as the beta is over with, and I guess that is also

the plan, so that is great. All these things are about security and should be considered.

[surensiddhi]

It would be appreciated if Farshad replies about the size of his team and members as requested by Delphidude. For serious developer who wants to use uniGUI for their mission critical solutions for industries like banking and insurance, should know about  it for security and support. I also wanted to know whether uniGUI is Escrow protected.

 

I have had a bad experience with Raudus. It was good but no support and no further development which impacted our development.

 

There is no doubt that the uniGUI is impressive, superior than other similar solutions and easy to use. We want it to rock.

[jaromir]

I have exactly the same concerns. But I decided to try and buy UniGui in near future (still learning and translate my desktop framework).

 

But for me it is not so important how big is a team. if You know Dymitry from AnyDac - I bought his components without any doubts and it was one person project (firebird now).

Both Dymitry and here support is quite good. But difference is full source code. This is big UniGui disadvantage (for me !!).

This is not only security aspect (but mostly). Without full source is not possible to deduct some aspects, css dependencies etc.

 

It should be higher price buy option with full source code. There won't be more questions and concerns like above.

 

PS. Again - I respect rules - I'm guest here - Peace :-)

[jimwang]

It's our concern as well. Any project we develop, I must assure it can be supported and upgraded for the future. Full source code has been a requirement regardless how big or small the supplier is. Any apps we develop which takes tens to hundreds of hours, be able to service support it for 5-10 years is an absolutely must. It's not easy to make money, and would be died before the project could be started if there is no future support assurance. A small company like ours with only one developer, we makes decisions based on "future availability for support", I believe most if not all large serious company would have the similar policy. Or, they will use Microsoft or Google or Apple knowing these guys will be there and support their product forever. Those who makes a living on pirating and stealing will never be the thread anyway, because they and their business will never last. (If they do become successful, they will loose their shirt when been sued and shutdown).

 

UniGUI team should make this a serious consideration factor. Assurance of future service support (with open source otherwise use Microsoft) is a major decision factor for any their purchase. To make UniGUI selling more and be successful, it need to focus on those businesses that want to pay with little concerns for futures. Those thefts are losers and will never pay anyway so does not really harm the suppliers like UniGUI (the so called Imaginary revenue lost, where the revenue never exists from those criminals). Delphi is disadvantaged already, not because Pascal is no good, rather because Borland/CodeGear lost is future assurance, so those paying developers goes to Microsoft for their future assurance. Under the already limited Delphi developer base and growing competition from large rivals for WebApplication platforms, UniGUI's survive and success does not rely on how to eliminate those bad guys making short term living on pirating, rather on giving assurance of businesses that make living on continuous selling and servicing their own apps.

 

I've been watching UniGUI for a few years. As soon as it moved out of beta, I bought it with source code. We never buy or consider "beta". Unfortunately, the source code is for components only. I cannot set or customize where the javascript preload path (at the client side, on the phone file system). And when I trying debug error inside unigui application or servermodule, I hit the wall. When that happens, our ability to maintain and support our own application becomes very limited. At least some the source code should also be included, like the application and server module, which are frequently referenced. Even some security and software production module is restricted without source, that would be fine.

[Ron]

Guys, we are on the same page on this. I too came in early with Unigui after having tried another delphiweb solution

where the support just faded away and the company turned their focus on another app, and there were many of us

who paid about $600 for that, and basically went away empty-handed.

 

Now I clearly saw - immediately - that things were totally different with Unigui. The thing is that here we have one

guy who is 100% dedicated - he takes this personally - and judging from his efforts so far, he will not give this up easily.

 

A good teams is great, but it always depends on a very good leader, and in this case I say we have it. That is why

I can put all my business in his hands, and I am sure that if Farshad has to get out somehow, he will give us the source code.

 

The framework is brilliant, we can leverage the power of both Delphi and ExtJS to the max, interfacing with ISAPI,

I almost don't know what more to ask for, except Websockets. The source code will come eventually, as we turn 1.0,

or at least that is what I expect. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

Sure, things have dragged out, but things have also been pretty stable for a long time, and we can all appreciate

the complexity of these things. To have a guy willing to dedicate such a big part of his life to make sense of this

technological mess we are in, and give us the opportunity to use our favorite tools to get things done, is just great.

 

So when I ask about the company, it is not because I do not trust Farshad or his ability to complete this project - far from it.

I just want to know if things are even better than what I already assume. We have one super-dedicated guy, and this

is his baby, and that's great - but what more do we have? I am not in the loop to make an educated guess - I am just curious.

[wprins]

I've been watching UniGUI for a few years. As soon as it moved out of beta, I bought it with source code. We never buy or consider "beta". Unfortunately, the source code is for components only. I cannot set or customize where the javascript preload path (at the client side, on the phone file system). And when I trying debug error inside unigui application or servermodule, I hit the wall. When that happens, our ability to maintain and support our own application becomes very limited. At least some the source code should also be included, like the application and server module, which are frequently referenced. Even some security and software production module is restricted without source, that would be fine.

 

Our experience was much the same, except we bought it a few months earlier based on beta tests.  I was a little taken aback when I found that the source did not in fact include *all* source code, but when I checked out the licensing I noticed this was the terms - my mistake     Other than UniGUI, we have for similar reasons as you list above, never allowed any closed source components into our codebase.  So I would be hugely appreciative and in favour of a way of obtaining full source code, to guarantee not getting get stuck in the future with infrastructure that you've got no way of upgrading or fixing.